![]() ![]() But it's very easy to read it differently. Of course, since Luthien was the most beautiful of the Children of Eru, corrupting here in any way would be pleasing to him - so it's entirely possible that it's a non-sexual meaning. Thus he was beguiled by his own malice, for he watched her, leaving her free for awhile, and taking secret pleasure in his thought. Then Morgoth looking upon her beauty conceived in his thought an evil lust, and a design more dark than any that had yet come into his heart since he fled from Valinor. She was not daunted by his eyes and she named her own name, and offered her service to sing before him, after the manner of a minstrel. It's not explicit, but certainly sounds.dubious:īut Lúthien was stripped of her disguise by the will of Morgoth, and he bent his gaze upon her. There main instance I can think of is Morgoth looking at Luthien. I can't remember lust or something like that being mentioned anywhere in the books. So it is totally fine to use frodo and sam as the goldmine for gay memes they are, just don't claim they were intended to be a couple (which by the way I never heard anyone in the queer community doing) So from a modern point of view it's no surprise frodo and Sam give a kind of gay vibe to some people, simply because the code in society changed. So friendship and love and a deep relationship between two men weren't perceived as "gay", since that category simply didn't exist. The concept of homosexuality as a form of love like in a relationship is only 150 years old, before that it was mostly viewed as a weird kink. It is no secret he took great inspiration from old sagas from the early middle ages, where the concept of love was portrayed in a somehow different perspective, being way more universal. It is tricky, since Tolkien is using love in a way that's slightly coded differently than in today's western society. Since Tolkien used sex (not even by mentioning it) only for the sake of creating life (surprise, he is catholic), there is simply no "need" for gay relationships (in a sexual way) Tolkien's world is pretty asexual, except for children being born, there is no hint that anyone in middle earth is slightly interested in using the stuff between their legs. I think we can agree on frodo and Sam not being gay, but I get why one might be tempted to play with the thought: I am an enthusiast for cock and Tolkien, I feel like I was born to answer this. The whole point of their journey together, is to show how strong their friendship is, Sam literally saves Frodo from Shelob, kills orcs in “Cirith Ungol” and carries him up the slopes of mount doom, not because he’s in love with Frodo, but because he loves him as friend.Īnyway would love to hear your thoughts on this, it’s just something that’s always bothered me about parts of the fandom. If you have to perceive Frodo and Sam’s friendship as “They have to be gay, look at all these scenes where they hug, and are there for each other”, then that’s a you problem, you can’t conceive 2 friends of the same sex caring for each other intermittently without having a perceived gayness for one another. No they are friends who care deeply about one another, their love for each other doesn’t have to be sexual or romanticised, they love each other as friends. It’s already established in the fellowship of the ring that they are good friends and they have a strong bond with one another.īut too many times I’ve seen people make the argument that they must be gay because they share intermit and close scenes together. Their entire journey wasn’t about them falling in love together. ![]() Why do they need they need to be gay or why do you want them to be gay. In parts of the fandom especially on Twitter though, people seem to keep wanting Frodo and Sam to be in a gay relationship, but I have to ask, why? This may annoy some people to be sure, but this is just something that annoys the hell out of me a lot. If you are discussing something new, such as the recent Hobbit movies, please use spoiler tags as follows: (/spoiler)Īnd remember NOT to put spoilers in your post titles! If more of us valued food and cheer and song above hoarded gold, it would be a merrier world! Legolas, Aragorn and Gimli Snoos created by Tom Sexton LoTR - Wikipedia Page Spoiler Tags - USE THEM! Tolkien Related Multi-Reddit to Rule them All Recommended Sites The Homecoming of Beorhtnoth Beorhthelm's Sonįor a full recommended Tolkien reading list, please CLICK HERE - written by ebneter Related Subreddits.Lord Of The Rings (Including Appendices).Don't Criticize Others For Their Opinionsĭetails of rules are HERE Tolkien Recommended Reading.For all things Tolkien, The Lord Of The Rings, The Hobbit, Silmarillion, and more. ![]()
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